[WARNING: The following story contains spoilers about Thursday's episode of How to Get Away with Murder. Read at your own risk.]
Bosher isn't back together, but they're on better -- if not closer -- terms now.
On Thursday's How to Get Away with Murder, Asher (Matt McGorry) and Bonnie (Liza Weil) were leads on the case of the week involving Tristan, a juvenile accused of credit card fraud and theft. It turns out he was buying a ton of baby stuff for his unborn child, whose mother is his teacher, Susan.
Bonnie pushes to -- and ultimately does -- put Susan on the stand, and takes umbrage with Asher's implication that she's only doing it because of the sexual abuse she suffered at the hands of her father, whom Frank (Charlie Weber) later poisons in a prison hospital. She counters by pointing out that Asher "stood by while your buddies raped Tiffany Howard. Does that mean you can't separate your personal feelings from an abuse case too?" Point, Bonnie. Asher eventually sees the error of his ways, telling Bonnie he's proud of her when all is said and done.
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We caught up with McGorry to get his take on Bosher's new relationship, Asher's maturation, the case's sobering relevance to current real-world events -- and what he can say about the episode's big, unexpected (pun fully intended) reveal at the end: Laurel (Karla Souza) is the second body found in Annalise's (Viola Davis) house in the future. She's alive (for now) -- and pregnant!
Asher did some growing up in the episode. Are he and Bonnie OK now?
Obviously there were some difficulties in working through it, the case itself. But ultimately, it seemed to me they found a mutual respect for one another and a better understanding of each other's situations and each other's concerns, and a new bond in a sense. And it's really great to see. I think it's nice to see their relationship is progressing even after the romantic elements of it are no longer a factor. I think that's a necessary thing because ultimately they're working together.
I liked when Asher told her, "I don't blame you. I'm proud of you. [Tristan] needs to see the person [Susan] really is." You never really see Asher get that serious and sincere, telling someone he's proud of them. Do you think he got a wakeup call when she called him out about Tiffany Howard?
Yeah. The storyline itself and the case were incredibly complicated. I think it's one that's very close to Bonnie's heart, obviously because ... she dealt with a lot of trauma of her own. It's somewhat related to this. I think she made a decision that was probably ultimately best for [Tristan], but I understand even Asher's point of view that it's not really someone else's responsibility to out a survivor of sexual assault. It's very complicated, but in the end, I think the fact that the teacher is going to be held accountable for her actions is a very good thing. I think a lot of times what makes people, in my experience, feel close to each other is we might have a disagreement and there's some vulnerability attached to that. Ultimately, we push through that and see we're better for it. I think that's what happened with them in this circumstance. He might not have agreed with her about what to do, but in the end, he felt like she made the right decision despite him getting in her way.
When he said, "Oh my God, is this about what your dad did?" I didn't think he was trying to be insensitive. He was concerned about the case and he blurted it out without thinking about how that might affect her, but he realized it right away, which speaks to a lot of sexual assault victims' experiences. What's your take on that? Is that how you played it?
McGorry: I agree. I don't think Asher was trying to be insensitive. I do think about it in the broader conversation, in terms of rape culture and what men can understand about that.
Especially this week.
McGorry: Right. I think the thing I've realized is that often times, people -- especially men in these situations or people that don't have those experiences quite as often --we do things [without thinking about] intention and impact. There's a difference between intention and impact. I think we all need to be aware that our intentions don't really inform our impact. I think we like to see ourselves as good people. Everyone likes to see themselves as a good person, even Donald Trump does. He doesn't think he's doing bad things, but that doesn't mean that he's not doing things that are hurtful and are really damaging people's lives, and shifting the conversation in a really negative way. We get to see with Asher, which I think is really a good sign of hope, is that he becomes aware of his positive intentions or that that his intentions can have a negative impact.
I think we all need to be, particularly men, open to the idea ... we may say a thing or make a joke, but we often don't have the experiences in life that would allow us to understand the true impact of these statements. It's not just about the statements made, but the whole system of beliefs that can go along with it. It's not just Donald Trump's one or two sentences; it's his entire system of beliefs that he has that has led him to behave in many inappropriate ways for his entire life. I think that's the thing with Asher that really gives me hope. He understands he didn't mean to do something that was hurtful, but he is open to the idea of, "OK, this didn't have the impact that I wanted, so how can I adjust in the future to not have that same impact?"
Definitely. Since they're on good terms now, will Bonnie tell Asher about her dad dying, or anything about Frank?
I don't know. I think there are a lot of secrets in the house and in that firm. I think transparency is the last thing to expect in many aspects of all their relationships.
We didn't get a lot of Asher and Michaela (Aja Naomi King) this episode. He's into her more than she's into him or at least she's more reluctant to pursue anything serious. Where are they headed?
I think Asher has a lot of strong and intense feelings about Michaela. He's in a place where he's really lost those people who are really meaningful to him in his family. I think that probably magnifies the intensity of the connection to her that he feels. She's not really fully into it. I think he's doing the best he can to be patient and also sort of kind of close that gap as well in a really sensitive way, not be incessantly nagging her about it. But it's to be seen how it will develop for sure.
Do you know who's under the sheet, who's dead?
McGorry: I do know that now. ... I was sad [when I found out who it was]. There were tears certainly from lots of different people, myself included. It's definitely not something to be taken lightly.
We don't know if Asher's alive yet in the future, but Laurel is and she's pregnant. What can you tease about that?
What can I say about that?
Is it Asher's?
[Laughs] Right! I mean, you never know! It could be. You never know with our show. But I don't think there's much I can say about that.
How to Get Away with Murder airs Thursdays at 10/9c on ABC.