After watching Scarlet Garcia vent her frustrations all over partner Shawn Bakken on last week's Beauty and the Geek, we were slightly scared to get them on the phone together for a post-elimination interview. Fortunately, the Dallas-based model/actress has come to terms with their loss. The assistant Boy Scout master and soon-to-be lawyer from Minnesota, however, is still beating himself up over his collapse during the camping expedition. The pair were pals once again by the time TVGuide.com caught up with them to learn how they lost their spot in the final showdown.
TVGuide.com: How do you feel about the show's "beauty" and "geek" labels?
Scarlet Garcia: It was interesting to find out that's where I am being placed by society. I was actually shocked at the very beginning when we were told what was going on. I never thought I'd be stereotyped as that. I never considered myself to be very smart, but I got good grades. I graduated with a business degree and had a 3.4 [grade point average]. My whole life I've been trying for people not to just judge me by my looks. It was like, "Ow!"
Shawn Bakken: I think a lot of us [guys] described ourselves [as geeks]. Like they said on the show, none of us had ever gotten a free lunch because we were really hot or anything. It's something you get used to after a while.
TVGuide.com: So, what happened on the trail in the camping challenge?
Shawn: I wish I could tell you! I can remember up to the point where I was throwing up and the camera guy took five pictures of me. I could count them.
TVGuide.com: Has that ever happened to you before?
Shawn: Nope. That was a new experience, and not a particularly enjoyable one.
TVGuide.com: Scarlet, why were you so mad at Shawn?
Scarlet: I was upset at the whole situation. First of all, I didn't get that upset when he started to get really sick. I was very supportive, and I was trying to help him out. He couldn't continue on; he was really ill. I had asked if I could do it on my own, and they told me no. When we finished, I was really disappointed. I guess I overreacted the whole way. In my head, I pictured us winning and making it through to the final. All that was going through my mind was: "He's a Boy Scout. He's supposed to be in shape. He knows his stuff. I'm in shape. Why didn't we just get this done?" Out of the moment of frustration, there's a lot of things that were conveyed and I took it out on him, but I didn't mean to.
Scarlet: I took everything out on him, which was very wrong of me, I admit. I think now, looking back, I shouldn't have acted the way I did. I'm very competitive when it comes to sports. When I want to win, I want to win. But I forgot I was in a team.
Shawn: Ooh, yeah.
TVGuide.com: Shawn, it really looked like you couldn't figure out the tent.
Shawn: It just came to the rain fly, and I'm not sure how it got put together.
TVGuide.com: Have you gotten any backlash from the Boy Scouts?
Shawn: [Laughs] No, not yet. I hear stuff from them, and I hang up real fast — no, I haven't heard anything from them. At the reunion show, someone asked about my "meltdown on the hillside." When they used that word, I was very sad.
TVGuide.com: Your opponents never picked you to go into the elimination room. Why is that?
Scarlet: I think we were liked by most of the teams. Plus, I don't think we were seen as a major threat. We were being true to ourselves and to other people. We weren't being two-faced. I was being really nice to everyone, which is the way I am in person, and Shawn got along with all the guys.
TVGuide.com: Scarlet, how would you classify your relationship with Chuck?
Scarlet: [Long pause] On the show, we were very close; we had a good bond. I know he was attracted to me, and I liked him. But at the very end, I felt we didn't have enough time to make it into more of a love relationship. We live in different states, so it's kind of hard. I don't believe in long-distance relationships, but we're friends.... I didn't want to put myself in that situation and really start liking him because then I would just hurt myself. [It's not] that he didn't have a chance [with me] or anything like that.
TVGuide.com: Which task was the hardest?
Shawn: Talking to women, getting their phone numbers. It's not so much that I can't do it. It just doesn't feel right to say, "Hi, give me your number. 'K, bye." And that's what we were supposed to do. It just felt so very wrong. And honestly, Scarlet, I barely heard you. I heard you three times as you were yelling into the microphone. It's like a little clock in the background. And it's not like I could go, "Scarlet, hold on, I'm trying to talk."
Scarlet: I think for me it was the rocket science. We were given two books, and I didn't know where to start. Science is the weakest subject for me. I was never good at science in school.
TVGuide.com: What have you taken away from this experience?
Shawn: A lot of good friends. They're like extended family in some cases, like "little sister" Scarlet.
Scarlet: I think definitely the friendship [and] getting to know people from different backgrounds. I learned that sometimes I have to be a little bit more aware of what I say or do, because I might hurt somebody else's feelings.
TVGuide.com: So you learned nothing directly related to your challenges on the show?
Shawn: I've picked up one [woman's] phone number so far. We've gotten together a couple of times. I don't know if we have an official "relationship," but just getting the number was a pat on the back for me, as far as I was concerned. It wasn't like on the show, because I was actually planning to call her.
TVGuide.com: What's next for you two?
Shawn: I'm taking the bar exam at the end of the month.
Scarlet: More auditions. I'm on a show [on the cable channel] MasMusica TeVe called Las 40 Principales. It's the Top 40. We're in five different states, in 23 different Hispanic markets. And I may go back to school and get my master's degree.