TVGuide.com: Do you think you sold Net Worth short with limited ideas on the auction task?
John Gafford: Barenaked Ladies took two or three people with them to Glasgow, Scotland, to go to a show. That's not exactly [like] just sending you a signed guitar. At the end of the day, we got beat by one experience — it was that Lil' Kim experience. It went for $15,000.
TVG: So it was the artists and not the concepts that were your downfall?
John: Absolutely. I made that comment that I think we lost on a coin flip, and Carolyn disagreed with me, as is her right. But the point I was trying to make was that it is not like a Gene Simmons fan went to the website and said, "Ooh, I'm going to bid on Lil' Kim's [package] because it is for a week." Their fan base is totally separate. With the exception of Fat Joe, we ended up with almost all rock and [Magna Corp.] ended up with almost all rap, which was an interesting dynamic.
TVG: Would you have done better with the rap artists?
John: We would have done better with Lil' Kim.
TVG: What was it like to be around all the musicians?
John: It was extremely cool. Everybody was having such a good time with this task. There was a lot of lighthearted, funny stuff. Unfortunately, I was portrayed in a really negative light, but we were having a good time with the task.
TVG: Your chauvinistic attitude seemed to come out of nowhere in the last few weeks. What was up with that?
John: I think the goal of the show is to be entertaining. If it was boring, nobody would watch. Sometimes you have to create characters around people to make the show interesting. I think the whole perception of me being sexist or whatnot stems from two separate circumstances. The first one is the interaction that I had with Audrey. I was trying to make the point that she was acting immature — I did choose my words very poorly. I should have said she was acting like a 22-year-old "child" instead of a 22-year-old "girl." The second thing would be the banter, which actually didn't appear as banter, between myself and the girls. In the Gene Simmons interview, I didn't say a word for about 25 minutes, and there was so much sexual innuendo flying back and forth between all them, it was unbelievable. They just chose to show me in a negative light. It is the price you pay and the risk you take when you take on an opportunity like this.
TVG: Do you regret doing The Apprentice?
John: Had I known that I was going to be portrayed as the evil prince and that everybody would cheer when I got fired, I never would have done it.
TVG: So the John we saw isn't the real you?
John: Not at all. That is so far away from my value set that it is ludicrous. I judge people strictly on the quality of their work and their character. Sex has absolutely nothing to do with it. I have female business partners. I have worked for women. So to be portrayed that way was a poor choice in judgment and is not accurate whatsoever.
TVG: You really have a striking resemblance to the actor Vince Vaughn.
John: I hear that a lot. I don't know how I feel about that. I am like the designer-impostor Vince Vaughn perfume. Like if you love Vince, you'll like John. I don't know if [my] image is that I'm the Vince Vaughn you can have? I don't know if that is a good thing for me. But Vince is a big star, and I'm just a schmo from Tampa who happened to end up on TV.
TVG: They made a big deal about you being a musician. What do you play?
John: I've been playing drums since I was a kid. I love music. Am I good enough to be in a professional, working band? Absolutely not, but I enjoy playing.
TVG: What did you think of Tana's attempt to be hip?
John: I thought Tana saying "Diggity" and "We be down with that" says exactly the same thing about her and her business acumen as me saying "pimps" with a feather in my hat. It says nothing. [But] I think Tana is great.
TVG: Were you upset that the teams got split up?
John: I was. You missed quite possibly the greatest moment in Apprentice history and for the life of me, I cannot figure out why they didn't show it. When we got Stephanie on our team, [Donald Trump] looked at Chris and said, "Who do you want to give to the other team?" Chris said, "Mr. Trump, we'd like to give Stephanie back." We all knew it wouldn't work, but it was the funniest thing. She was so mad.